Comments on: The end of an era… http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/ The ramblings of a zombocalypse ready, hoplophile Canuck. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:22:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Mugwug http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-77992 Mugwug Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:48:24 +0000 http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-77992 <i>(Reply sent by email)</i> Blaire, I appreciate your comment and your input on this but I don't entirely agree. First, the AZR was an SKS-D detachable magazine fed semi-automatic rifle, chambered for the Soviet Intermediate cartridge (7.62.x39mm) it is capable of delivering fairly rapid and accurate fire out past 200 meters if needed. I can't argue the characteristics of zombies and their reactions to gunfire, but I can state that silencers are illegal in the jurisdiction in which I reside and that any anti-zombie weapon would be useless if confiscated by the authorities prior to a zombie outbreak, and that I'd hardly be able to escape if I am incarcerated. I wonder at your practical experience with firearms however. Fully automatic weapons are hardly a disadvantage in the hands of an experienced user, trigger modulation allows one to fire one, two or three rounds from a fully automatic weapon as needed and often the fire select switch allows the user to select "safe", "semi" or "full" as options befitting the situation they find themselves in. I am no fan of fully automatic fire (I have to pay for my ammunition, and would prefer to place each shot carefully) but I wouldn't rush to eliminate options for myself would the circumstances allow. If you had read some of the other posts on the website you'd see that as a tactical doctrine I recommend not ever engaging lone zombies unless absolutely required, and that should a single zombie be encountered at close range a blunt force attack using the buttstock would be preferred over wasting ammunition and drawing attention to ones self. If zombie survival interests you I'd recommend surfing over to http://www.zombiehunters.org which is a collection of truly amazing people who have given this topic some serious thought and discussion. As a post script, the Anti-zombie rifle was sold over a year ago, it WAS impractical, but more because of its weight and size than because it was unsilenced. Cheers! (Reply sent by email)

Blaire,

I appreciate your comment and your input on this but I don’t entirely agree.

First, the AZR was an SKS-D detachable magazine fed semi-automatic rifle, chambered for the Soviet Intermediate cartridge (7.62.x39mm) it is capable of delivering fairly rapid and accurate fire out past 200 meters if needed.

I can’t argue the characteristics of zombies and their reactions to gunfire, but I can state that silencers are illegal in the jurisdiction in which I reside and that any anti-zombie weapon would be useless if confiscated by the authorities prior to a zombie outbreak, and that I’d hardly be able to escape if I am incarcerated.

I wonder at your practical experience with firearms however. Fully automatic weapons are hardly a disadvantage in the hands of an experienced user, trigger modulation allows one to fire one, two or three rounds from a fully automatic weapon as needed and often the fire select switch allows the user to select “safe”, “semi” or “full” as options befitting the situation they find themselves in. I am no fan of fully automatic fire (I have to pay for my ammunition, and would prefer to place each shot carefully) but I wouldn’t rush to eliminate options for myself would the circumstances allow.

If you had read some of the other posts on the website you’d see that as a tactical doctrine I recommend not ever engaging lone zombies unless absolutely required, and that should a single zombie be encountered at close range a blunt force attack using the buttstock would be preferred over wasting ammunition and drawing attention to ones self.

If zombie survival interests you I’d recommend surfing over to http://www.zombiehunters.org which is a collection of truly amazing people who have given this topic some serious thought and discussion.

As a post script, the Anti-zombie rifle was sold over a year ago, it WAS impractical, but more because of its weight and size than because it was unsilenced.

Cheers!

]]> By: Blaire http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-77978 Blaire Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:38:41 +0000 http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-77978 I'm sure you guys mean well, but if this "Anti-Zombie Rifle" is automatic, you are doomed to fail. As you might know, the powerful feeling of having a load of fully automatic whoop-ass in your hands is one that practically drags you down the road of the wish to go "rambo". in a actual situation in which a zombie threat is present, you want to be quick and quiet as possible, and to use as little ammunition as possible. This is because a zombie can only be "killed" by destroying its brain, whether this be by shooting it, or smashing in its skull. this means that only one shot is needed, and that shot has to count. Zombies do not feel pain, so attempting to bring it down like that, as you would any other creature, it would be only a waste of ammo. again, it must be silent. Zombies don't rely on sight, as we humans do, but use each sense equally. this means that even if you come across one zombie, and shoot it in the head, destroy its brain, and dispatch it with out trouble, the report from the firearm will echo across the surrounding area and serve as a beacon to any Zombie for the next couple of miles. so to make this a truely "Anti-zombie" weapon, it has to be silenced, and at most, semi-automatic. I’m sure you guys mean well, but if this “Anti-Zombie Rifle” is automatic, you are doomed to fail. As you might know, the powerful feeling of having a load of fully automatic whoop-ass in your hands is one that practically drags you down the road of the wish to go “rambo”. in a actual situation in which a zombie threat is present, you want to be quick and quiet as possible, and to use as little ammunition as possible. This is because a zombie can only be “killed” by destroying its brain, whether this be by shooting it, or smashing in its skull. this means that only one shot is needed, and that shot has to count. Zombies do not feel pain, so attempting to bring it down like that, as you would any other creature, it would be only a waste of ammo. again, it must be silent. Zombies don’t rely on sight, as we humans do, but use each sense equally. this means that even if you come across one zombie, and shoot it in the head, destroy its brain, and dispatch it with out trouble, the report from the firearm will echo across the surrounding area and serve as a beacon to any Zombie for the next couple of miles. so to make this a truely “Anti-zombie” weapon, it has to be silenced, and at most, semi-automatic.

]]> By: Phil http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18501 Phil Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:02:09 +0000 http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18501 Well then Mug, I'd say you made a fair deal. Though, in the future, please let us know about any impending sale so as to be able to make offers (please, please, please). Who would have passed up the chance to pick that one up? Well then Mug, I’d say you made a fair deal. Though, in the future, please let us know about any impending sale so as to be able to make offers (please, please, please).

Who would have passed up the chance to pick that one up?

]]> By: Greg http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18498 Greg Mon, 29 Jan 2007 06:50:22 +0000 http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18498 <i>Shiny depletes bank account far too rapidly.</i> Turn your thoughts to the shiny side of the force. Lash out and your journey towards the shiny side of the force will be complete! Shiny depletes bank account far too rapidly.

Turn your thoughts to the shiny side of the force. Lash out and your journey towards the shiny side of the force will be complete!

]]> By: Mugwug http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18495 Mugwug Mon, 29 Jan 2007 04:09:05 +0000 http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18495 <i>"Or an AR15 variant."</i> Always get yourself a 9mm AR... There was one down at the gun store when I was shopping for that 762x25mm ammo, didn't even ask to see the rifle. I know better than that now. Must ignore the shiny, must resist the shiny, must not acknowledge the shiny. Shiny depletes bank account far too rapidly. -GRIN- I'm still thinking an AR180 is the next rifle that will find a home in my gun rack. Should have had one after the move, but meh. “Or an AR15 variant.”

Always get yourself a 9mm AR… There was one down at the gun store when I was shopping for that 762×25mm ammo, didn’t even ask to see the rifle.

I know better than that now. Must ignore the shiny, must resist the shiny, must not acknowledge the shiny.

Shiny depletes bank account far too rapidly.

-GRIN-

I’m still thinking an AR180 is the next rifle that will find a home in my gun rack. Should have had one after the move, but meh.

]]> By: Greg http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18493 Greg Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:50:55 +0000 http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18493 <i>I like the look of the storm, but dammit I have a 92F, what do I want with a 9mm carbine?</i> I test drove the Storm when I was at West Edmonton Mall over the New Year. It's nice, but for it's restricted status, it makes it more of a play toy than a serious rifle or even carbine. What it really feels like is an overgrown pistol with molded plastic glommed onto a pistol frame. If you're going carbine, go for a real carbine, not that. That said, I'm mulling picking one up if the right combination of budget appropriation and flowcharting of decision making can be done. Or an AR15 variant. I like the look of the storm, but dammit I have a 92F, what do I want with a 9mm carbine?

I test drove the Storm when I was at West Edmonton Mall over the New Year. It’s nice, but for it’s restricted status, it makes it more of a play toy than a serious rifle or even carbine. What it really feels like is an overgrown pistol with molded plastic glommed onto a pistol frame. If you’re going carbine, go for a real carbine, not that.

That said, I’m mulling picking one up if the right combination of budget appropriation and flowcharting of decision making can be done. Or an AR15 variant.

]]> By: Mugwug http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18486 Mugwug Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:35:59 +0000 http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18486 <b>Greg:</b> Ahem... <b>DirtCrashr:</b> Oh don't me wrong, I'm no huge advocate of the SKS, but you have to admit its an attractive option if for no other reasons that because it is cheap, reliable and almost completely idiot proof (ammunition is pretty damn cheap as well). That said I'm sure there are better options for anti-zombie weaponry, but I'm still waiting to hear specifics and arguments for and against. [hint, hint] <b>Patrick:</b> I like the look of the storm, but dammit I have a 92F, what do I want with a 9mm carbine? As for the SL8, well thats <a href="http://www.malfeus.com" rel="nofollow">Mikes</a> dream rifle, me it's still the AR180B that haunts my dreams (at about $1200 CDN). Ah, reliable gun and tackle. Honestly brother, never, EVER leave Vancouver. I miss the days of plentiful and varied gunstores in town. These days I'm driving hundreds of KM just to get a little variety, and still not finding the right shiny stuff. <b>Phil:</b> Hey! No problem, the rifle sold for $600 CDN including 8 AK mags of various capacities (all now pinned to 5 rounds), some assorted SKS accoutrements (mag loader, cleaning kit, assorted hex keys and the like) and original furniture. I could have probably gotten around $700 for it, but I still consider it an incomplete project gun, and not a "finished product" so I listed it over at <a href="http://www.canadiangunnutz.com" rel="nofollow">CGN</a> for the lessor amount (and it sold in a day). The good news is that I am in the process of acquiring a relittle K frame S&W in .38 (along with oodles of ammo) that I can amuse myself with, spending the remainder of the proceeds from the SKS sale to purchase some new furniture for my VZ58. Quite frankly I just desperately needed to buy a new boomstick, and couldn't really afford it without selling one off. Greg: Ahem…

DirtCrashr: Oh don’t me wrong, I’m no huge advocate of the SKS, but you have to admit its an attractive option if for no other reasons that because it is cheap, reliable and almost completely idiot proof (ammunition is pretty damn cheap as well).

That said I’m sure there are better options for anti-zombie weaponry, but I’m still waiting to hear specifics and arguments for and against.

[hint, hint]

Patrick: I like the look of the storm, but dammit I have a 92F, what do I want with a 9mm carbine?

As for the SL8, well thats Mikes dream rifle, me it’s still the AR180B that haunts my dreams (at about $1200 CDN).

Ah, reliable gun and tackle.

Honestly brother, never, EVER leave Vancouver. I miss the days of plentiful and varied gunstores in town. These days I’m driving hundreds of KM just to get a little variety, and still not finding the right shiny stuff.

Phil: Hey! No problem, the rifle sold for $600 CDN including 8 AK mags of various capacities (all now pinned to 5 rounds), some assorted SKS accoutrements (mag loader, cleaning kit, assorted hex keys and the like) and original furniture.

I could have probably gotten around $700 for it, but I still consider it an incomplete project gun, and not a “finished product” so I listed it over at CGN for the lessor amount (and it sold in a day).

The good news is that I am in the process of acquiring a relittle K frame S&W in .38 (along with oodles of ammo) that I can amuse myself with, spending the remainder of the proceeds from the SKS sale to purchase some new furniture for my VZ58.

Quite frankly I just desperately needed to buy a new boomstick, and couldn’t really afford it without selling one off.

]]> By: Phil http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18480 Phil Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:30:48 +0000 http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2007/01/24/the-end-of-an-era/#comment-18480 So, Erik, are you going to tell us how mucho it went for and why you didn't let anyone here know? Hmmm? Hmmm? Hmmm? So, Erik, are you going to tell us how mucho it went for and why you didn’t let anyone here know?

Hmmm? Hmmm? Hmmm?

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