Dec 01 2007

Firearms Home Inspections in Toronto

Published by Mugwug at 08:53:34 under Firearms

Oh sweet zombie jebus…

The Chief Firearms Office is piloting an initiative that involves notifying older firearms owners, in Toronto, who own more than 10 firearms, including a restricted or prohibited firearm(s). These firearms owners will be required to have their firearms inspected by a firearms officer designated by the Chief Firearms Officer. Each owner has been provided a pamphlet from the Canadian Firearms Centre setting out the requirements for safe storage and display. The inspector will also be providing the firearms owners with information, from the Canadian Firearms Centre, on how to arrange for the handling of their firearms in the event of death or incapacity.

Source: Canadian Shooting Sports Association Notice

I’ve long joked that the reason I own precisely ten firearms is that there are specific provisions in our firearms legislation that allow for home inspections for those that own MORE than ten firearms. Now, before people leap to conclussions it’s important to note that these are not random unannounced inspections (for now anyway), and the gun owners will be contacted in advance and a time for the inspection scheduled (which one would think would sorta negate any value to the inspections themselves).

Inspection

102. (1) Subject to section 104, for the purpose of ensuring compliance with this Act and the regulations, an inspector may at any reasonable time enter and inspect any place where the inspector believes on reasonable grounds a business is being carried on or there is a record of a business, any place in which the inspector believes on reasonable grounds there is a gun collection or a record in relation to a gun collection or any place in which the inspector believes on reasonable grounds there is a prohibited firearm or there are more than 10 firearms and may

(a) open any container that the inspector believes on reasonable grounds contains a firearm or other thing in respect of which this Act or the regulations apply;

(b) examine any firearm and examine any other thing that the inspector finds and take samples of it;

(c) conduct any tests or analyses or take any measurements; and

(d) require any person to produce for examination or copying any records, books of account or other documents that the inspector believes on reasonable grounds contain information that is relevant to the enforcement of this Act or the regulations.

Source: Firearms Act of Canada

Safe storage is a problem, the law requires that firearms be stored in a specific manner, it is a real possibility that older gun owners may be unfamiliar with the newer requirements under the changed firearms laws. In a city where the criminals are routinely granted all sorts of leeway due to their “circumstances” I’d hope that elderly firearms owners would be given the same leeway and that this effort would concentrate on education, not confiscation and prosecution.

Hope springs eternal.

Color me shocked, however, that this initiative is originating in Toronto, with absolutely NO pressure from Mayor “hugs not guns” Miller.

10 Responses to “Firearms Home Inspections in Toronto”

  1. Michaelon 01 Dec 2007 at 21:29:04

    I don’t know how you do it, buddy, I’d had to move a long time ago to the US. Cause there is no way I could just have 10 firearms only, which I have right now, only because I can’t afford any more right now.

  2. Mugwugon 01 Dec 2007 at 21:35:36

    Michael: It’s not that bad I s’pose. There are no shortage of blowhards and stupid legislation South of the line as well, the only difference up here is that firearms legislation is ENTIRELY a federal matter, and we all get stuck with the same stupid rules from coast to coast.

    Hehe… legislation aside, I can’t really afford to go over the 10 gun limit anyway. I’ll likely look to trade-up in the near future, but I’ve never found it “easy” to part with firearms, and as my collection has become more exclusive it’s even harder now.

    Here’s to hoping the conservatives manage to roll back some of our gun control boondoggle.

  3. Pieteron 01 Dec 2007 at 22:22:57

    This is exactly why I don’t have more than 10 firearms…….(Wink wink, Nudge-Nudge)….
    Seems to me that if the “Man” wants to inspect “Older” firearm owners, to check for compliance, it may not be a bad idea.
    If we could get random “Spot checks” on there driving it would be even better.
    I’m with you on the “Trading -up” thing, but I hate to let any of mine go.
    Although as soon as I find someone who’ll trade a half my mil-surp collection for a Barrett, it’s on.
    I’ve got to get in on the BMG before it’s outlawed everywhere.

  4. Mugwugon 02 Dec 2007 at 10:25:18

    Piet: Hehe, truthfully it’s a real consideration, but the true legislative powers rest with my sweetie, who continually tries to convince me that I have enough boomsticks, and fails to recognize the difference between them.

    I’m having a harder time “trading up” these days because I value each firearm I have.

    M1 Garand? Nah - rebuilt and refinished the rifle, love it to pieces, throws the bullets just where I want them. Can’t get rid of that one.

    M14 (Norinco)? Not a chance. Lots of effort accurizing the rifle, love it to pieces, must get new optics for it. Still on the “upgrade” list.

    SMLE No.4 Mk.I? My Longbranch? You must be kidding, still needs some refinishing/restoration of the wood. Metal is in almost pristine condition. It’s a 1944 for pittys sakes!

    VZ58? The new anti-zombie rifle? Nu-uh, it’s the only firearm I have left that eats 762×39mm, short, light and cheap to feed. It stays.

    AR15? What? The rifle I built while Lisa was carrying Jilly? Too much sentimental value there, maybe get a new upper for it, but the rifle stays.

    Beretta 92F? The pistol I used for IPSC in BC? Nah, it’s hardly accurate but it’s dependable as all get-out. It’s sticking around.

    Sig Sauer P220? You’re joking! The only handgun I’ve ever purchased new, my favorite handgun in the entire world? Nope.

    Smith and Wesson Model 14? I just picked up that wheelgun! Still have over 500 rounds of ammo for it, and the thing was a bargain. I’ve wanted to add a wheelgun to the collection for ages. Next.

    Mossberg 500? The most likely one to get traded away, it wasn’t even a consideration for the longest time, but that folding stock (while making the recoil murder) does make it easy to transport. This one is a definate maybe sorta.

    Reimngton 870 Wingmaster? Nope. Side by side I’m coming to prefer it over the Mossberg (likely because it’s a more recent addition), but this one stays. At least for now.

    We’re done. That’s the collection. Most likely is the Mossberg 500 out the door to generate the bulk of the funds needed to acquire an AR180B, a rifle I’ve been eyeing since before we bought the house. .223 and unrestricted, it’d be a good addition to the collection.

  5. Michaelon 02 Dec 2007 at 13:29:45

    Nice colletion, hope the conservatives get into office. As for us, yeah we do have our fair share of boobs. But, for the most part they are isolated to northeast or west coast cities, not so much down here in the Deep South, even though Georgia does have some stupid carry laws. Did do a count of my guns and only got 9, guess next year I gotta buy one or two.

  6. Michaelon 02 Dec 2007 at 13:32:21

    Oh, almost forgot, no zombie poster this week?

  7. Mugwugon 02 Dec 2007 at 18:14:46

    Thanks Michael! Almost forgot the poster this week altogether. It’s up now.

  8. Pieteron 02 Dec 2007 at 23:37:48

    The AR180 seems like an AR15 with a AK’s gas system.
    Lets not forget your collection looks a little lacking in the bolt area, seems you could use a good scoped bolt action.
    And not even one lever action. GEEEzzzz.
    You really do have some nice gear.
    How about getting something like the T/C encore? Then you’d have one action, and shoot as many calibers as you wanted, almost like have a bunch of different guns……

  9. Mugwugon 04 Dec 2007 at 06:57:09

    Piet: I’ve got a few firearms biases, they were formed early and they’re kinda hard to shake.

    First I LIKE gas-guns, while I cut my teeth on bolt action rifles my first semi-automatic (the SKS in this case) was like an epiphany. My first time out with the Norc M14 was like coming home.

    For my $0.02 there’s nothing better out there than a .30 semi-auto. Economy, however, has to be considered as well as the governing legislation.

    I can take my M1 or M14 out to the middle of nowhere and shoot, but my AR15 can only be discharged at an approved range. I’d kinda like a .223 semi-auto that is unrestricted and can be dragged anywhere I choose.

    Perhaps after the AR180 I’ll look into getting a Remington 700 in .308 (or a more obscure .30 once I get into reloading) to add to the cabinet, but for the time being thats the plan.

  10. Tim McNamaraon 21 Nov 2008 at 16:37:04

    Hey, anybody out there had any REAL problems with Norinco M-14 clones?
    I have two and not a single issue in hundreds of rounds fired. The “experts” harp on about soft bolts and horrendous headspace problems, but so far my rifles have functioned just fine and are accurate enough.
    My first “boom stick” was issued to me by the infantry and of course was a gas gun.
    I like gas guns too. The mechanism is so interesting and clever. Our old FNC1A1 rifles weighed about 12 pounds loaded and the recoil was, well, exciting in a bad way.
    If you shot it from the prone position with a high gas setting, it could rattle out a filling or two. However, it was darn near indestructable. We used to clean them en mass in a half 45 gallon drum filled with gasoline and motor oil. Imagine the horrified gasps from from the “social engineering zombies” as we smoked our camels, elbow deep in an incendiary mixture. Where’s my trauma counselling!!!???
    If you want a great utility/anti zombie rifle that is not restricted, grab a CZ 858 if you can find one. Awsome little rifle and cheap ammo. By the way, the Czech military ammo is REALLY,REALLY,REALLY CORROSIVE !!!! Clean your CZ ASAP after you finish shooting.
    I learned the hard way. Well, remember proper GUN CONTROL means being able to hit what you aim at .
    Timmy on the Prairie.

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