Mar 29 2005
No sense of irony at all….
Fanatics frighten me.
A recent rally at the University of New Hampshire was dedicated to “smashing the patriarchy”. The rally was organized by the “Feminist Action League” and, according to the article, was intended to give women a chance to empower themselves, and share experiences of their oppression at the hands of men in a safe enviroment.
Sounds fairly harmless so far, no? Here are some highlights from the article (quoted in its entirety at the end of this post).
..”Hello, my name is Mary Man-Hating-Is-Fun,” one participant said. “I am 23 years old, and I am what a feminist looks like. Ever since I learned to embrace my feminist nature, I found great joy in threatening men’s lives, flicking off frat brothers and plotting the patriarchy’s death. I hate men because they are men, because I see them for what they are: misogynistic, sexist, oppressive and absurdly pathetic beings who only serve to pollute and contaminate this world with war, abuse, oppression and rape.”..
It’s nice to see she’s maintained an open mind, and hasn’t fallen victim to the same sort of prejudice and stereotyping that brought her to the rally, isn’t it?
“Women who use porn are being complicit in the oppression of women,” one woman said. “They are legitimizing an industry that enslaves women and they are traitors to their gender.”
“Gender Traitors” – Catchy phrase, why does it invoke images of cattle cars and jackboots…..
“Women have to face threats from men everyday all their lives in subtle and obvious ways,” Wolff said. “I hope men are confronted. That’s what it’s going to take. Events like this are the beginning of a women’s revolution.”
And this women’s revolution, he argued, is not initiated by a sexist organization.
“That view is fundamentally misguided,” Wolff said. “Sexism is a weapon against the chronically disempowered. Men are empowered by society and anyone who claims the FAL is sexist is missing the point.”
Wolff likes bandying the the big words around, but has missed the point. Sexism, like racism, is not an intangible.
Look, there are some serious issues out there, of this there can be little doubt. The sad fact is that these extremists (and they are) steal credibility away from groups that are making a legitimate effort to fix the problems in our society. Hatred begets hatred, and as always I am saddened and angered that any group espousing hatred against another was given a venue for their brand of intolerence.
In the final analysis I see little more than some angry people seeking to prove that their anger is justified, that they’re the victims of an identifiable group, that all they need is a little lebesraum.
(Hat tip: CGN)
Patriarchy presence slammed at FAL event
By Shannon O’Neil
Published: Friday, March 25, 2005
Source: The New Hampshire NewsFeminism and controversy surged throughout campus on March 10. Black and white flyers depicted a drawing of a woman grasping onto a hammer with “FEMINISM” on the handle. In the middle of the female symbol fists were clenched and space above the woman read: “If I had a hammer…I’d SMASH Patriarchy.” A bubble by her face said, “I FOUND IT!”
UNH students found it, too.
Approximately 40 people attended the Patriarchy Slam organized by the Feminist Action League (FAL). A handful of others watched timidly outside the MUB entertainment center door, fleeing as soon as a glance from inside penetrated their direction.
The event, featuring poetry readings, skits, monologues and an open microphone, was designed to give women a space to share their experiences of oppression in a comfortable setting, Megan Smith, a member of the FAL, said.
“[The event was designed to] encourage women to confront the perpetrators who are men,” Smith said. “Ninety-nine percent of sexual perpetrators are men. They are the root cause of the rape and oppression against women.”
The FAL’s hatred of the patriarchy, a male-ruled society, was decoratively affirmed with 10 hanging balloons, each displaying a letter of the word “patriarchy.” Each was dramatically popped throughout the event, symbolizing the eradication of the patriarchy.
“This is a place where women can feel empowered,” Smith said. “There aren’t many places in the world where women can speak out against those who have oppressed us, beat us and raped us.”
The name of the event mimics the aggression that men exert, Smith said.
“‘Slam’ is an aggressive word, but slamming is the classic way men respond,” she said. “They feel threatened and shape it as hate. It’s an aggressive word, but it shouldn’t get in the way of our message.”
Their provocative and controversial message reflected the notorious and often criticized views of TNH columnist and FAL member Whitney Williams. Both audience members and some members of the FAL wished to remain anonymous for security reasons. This past September’s death threat to Williams has forced the group and its supporters to take safety precautions, such as remaining unidentified.
Monologues by members of the FAL poked fun at feminist stereotypes and set the tone of an evening of sarcasm and wit.
“Hello, my name is Mary Man-Hating-Is-Fun,” one participant said. “I am 23 years old, and I am what a feminist looks like. Ever since I learned to embrace my feminist nature, I found great joy in threatening men’s lives, flicking off frat brothers and plotting the patriarchy’s death. I hate men because they are men, because I see them for what they are: misogynistic, sexist, oppressive and absurdly pathetic beings who only serve to pollute and contaminate this world with war, abuse, oppression and rape.”
Members of the FAL wore scissors around their necks, as members of the audience lightheartedly sang a song about castration.
One woman told tales of five of her friends who have been raped, one, tragically, by a stepfather. Another talked about being ridiculed for her virginity, another of being discriminated against for a lesbian relationship, and another of witnessing her mother’s boyfriend sexually abuse her.
Others spoke of oppression and sexual assault here on campus. Through passionate and at times tear-choked words, the MUB became a sexist battle zone at lunch hour, and bulletin boards in dorms became canvasses for chauvinistic, offensive graffiti.
The issue of men’s entitlement to women’s bodies for sexual pleasure was raised by one woman. She claimed that she’s been told by men that dancing provocatively at clubs is “just asking” for rape.
“Why does my dancing have to be about pleasing them? Why can’t it just be about me?” she asked.
Women’s magazines were also targeted as FAL members denounced the sex expert of a popular publication. The experts, they said, encourage women to give in to men’s sexual fantasies, even if they don’t feel comfortable or even have a medical condition that would make the acts painful.
“Thanks for reminding me that the purpose of sex is male pleasure and entitlement!” one FAL member sarcastically exclaimed.
“This is what women get for advice when they don’t like it or feel uncomfortable or have an illness! This is rape!” Smith stated.
The connection between rape and pornography was also explored.
Whitney Williams read quotes from pornography sites, one of which described giving women vodka and then having sex with them.
“What does it sound like? Rape!” she exclaimed.
“We’re told porn is sexually arousing to women, but porn looks a lot like rape to us,” Smith said. “It’s encouraging a rape culture.”
A skit about a controversial Socratic Society meeting asserted that women who watch pornography are traitors to women.
“Women who use porn are being complicit in the oppression of women,” one woman said. “They are legitimizing an industry that enslaves women and they are traitors to their gender.”
But not every woman in the audience agreed.
One woman walked onto the stage and nervously stated that she’d been contemplating speaking for a long time. Her ultimate courage resulted in an uproarious applause. But as the applause echoed in the small room, she said that once everyone heard what she had to say, they might not be clapping.
“I like porn. And guess what? I’ve been raped,” she said. “I’m not a gender traitor. I take control of my sexuality, and rape isn’t always as clearly cut as we think. Some women like sex. You’re fighting yourself if you turn on women who like porn.”
The woman walked out of the room and left a stunned and silent audience behind.
A member of the FAL then spoke in rebuttal, stating, “If you like porn, you’re ignoring the fact that many women are sexually trafficked into this industry.” She continued that 30 percent of all pornography is made against the women’s will and that 75 percent of women were raped or sexually abused before they were porn stars.
But just as the FAL is infuriated with our society’s obsession with pornography, some people, like David Huffman, a contributor for UNH’s conservative publication “Common Sense,” were offended by the event’s messages. Huffman also was the only audience member who was asked to leave during open microphone. The reason: women would feel uncomfortable with him there, members of the FAL said.
“It was advertised as a public event, nowhere did the posters say ‘Women Only,’” Huffman said. “They excluded me from a public event based upon my gender. There were a few other men there who were allowed to stay, but I was singled out in particular. Excluding one person from a public event is almost impossible to justify unless they are disruptive, which I was not. This is discrimination.”
“[This] was an evening of man hating. This is no different than any other extremist organization that…promotes stereotypes,” Huffman said.
He found the subject of castration particularly offensive.
“The poems that talked about castrating men were threatening, along with the scissors the girls wore around their necks,” he said. “Ms. Smith read a poem where she said that she was proud to hate men. How is this any different than hating African-Americans or Jews?
“What I heard last night was not feminism; it was a hate rally,” he continued. “I went there with an open mind, thinking the patriarchy was only that group of sexist, chauvinists that discriminate against women. Ms. Smith said that all men are the enemy. This is clear cut sexism and blind hatred.”
But Rob Wolff, a member of the Men Against Patriarchy, an organization that is considered an ally to the FAL, thinks that the event’s messages were justified.
“Women have to face threats from men everyday all their lives in subtle and obvious ways,” Wolff said. “I hope men are confronted. That’s what it’s going to take. Events like this are the beginning of a women’s revolution.”
And this women’s revolution, he argued, is not initiated by a sexist organization.
“That view is fundamentally misguided,” Wolff said. “Sexism is a weapon against the chronically disempowered. Men are empowered by society and anyone who claims the FAL is sexist is missing the point.”
Although Huffman may have been outnumbered at the Patriarchy Slam, he certainly isn’t alone on campus: Williams’ columns have sparked a flood of angry op-ed responses, showing that the members of the FAL aren’t the only ones on campus using words to slam.
41 Responses to “No sense of irony at all….”
So … how come I have this incredible feeling of
déjà vu?
Women like this are usually severely sexually frustrated because their faces and bodies are as ugly as their minds. Their sexual appeal is as attractive as the message they promulgate.
Well, I feel better about my existence knowing that I am hated… Just another reason to go on living.
Thank men for making a civilized world !!
it’s true what Cathy says.
It is ugly women who can’t get a date!
I am often amazed by the pure hate some people have inside of them. One interesting thing I noticed while in college, was that these “women� always had frowns on their faces. It’s as if their entire beings went into their quest of loathing men and society in general. It takes a lot of energy to hate something so intensely.
And I’ll second Cathy’s comment. In college the radical feminists were without doubt the most unattractive women on campus.
It is no wonder to me that so many American men are looking for more traditional women abroad. The young American woman is just too badly damaged by this sort of movement. The American family cannot survive without the core of it’s make up. Regardless of all the hype, there still needs to be two people, a husband and wife, a father and a mother, when that dies, so does the Nation.
It’s always nice to know I’m a gender traitor. Will I get hung or shot for that? I may be a femenist, but this is radical cultism. Bleh
I showed this article to my husband and he could not believe that radical malcontents like this have such a strong voice on campuses today. We both disagree with the term ‘feminist’ to describe these women because they have basically perverted what it means to be proud of our gender. A feminist is someone who is proud of herself AND is not threatened by men being proud of who they are as well.
I cannot wait to get into a conversation with one of these women because when I have in the past they get SO upset that I take ‘the other side’ instead of theirs.
Just thought i’d put in my two cents.
Christy
It’s a mistake to presume only ugly crop-haired harridans are like this, many are not and happily hide behind that image. Some of the most vile and hate-filled feminists I’ve known have been perfectly normal looking and married.
W.
It astounds me that groups like this are so protected because people are afraid to speak out against a so-called feminist group. If some other group had a rally against a race of people, blaming all societies problems on them while wearing knives around their necks and singing songs about killing all the [insert generic race] to save society, people everywhere would be in an uproar about the hate crime that they committed. But when it is against men, it is somehow more acceptable.
“The prescense of a man would be threatening”
You’re damn right I’m going to be threatening if you talk about castrating me with a pair of scissors!
I wonder what kind of outcry there would be if a group of men got together to talk about nailing breasts to a table, or the joys of clitoridectomy?
1) To say that groups like this “have such a strong voice on campuses today” is ridiculous. There were 40 people there. Hardly a mass rally or demonstration.
2) To say “oh radical feminists! They must hate men because they can’t get a date” is disgusting. To reduce their arguments, many of which have a sound base, (sexual assault is problem, discrimination is a problem) to something so superficial simply demonstrates the contempt of their detractors. These are not issues related to appearance they are the realities that many women must face. If these women are angry about being afraid who can blame them?
I posted on this situation as well.
In response to Mike, this is not the only instance of this sort of thing happening at campus’. Granted there were only 40 people present but place 40 people at each occurence and you have ‘a stong voice’. I don’t think the other commentor was speaking only of this incident.
As far calling what another commentor said ‘disgusting’, is it not disgusting to speak of dismembering mens genitalia? Is in not disgusting to call all men rapists? Is it not disgusting to say, and I quote, “misogynistic, sexist, oppressive and absurdly pathetic beings who only serve to pollute and contaminate this world with war, abuse, oppression and rape.â€??
I am a woman and I am/offended by this type of behavior.
Fear? Please, it is outright hatred and outright discrimination! A lot of women have been abused by men but you don’t see them all turning into monsters like this.
And your comment on discrimination????? What about the reporter that was asked to leave just because he was a male while others were allowed to stay because they we pro-FAL. The flyers posted this as a public event ‘ANYONE’ was welcome.
At Boston College in 1999, the Women’s Resource Center posted large numbers of posters with “MEN RAPE” in huge print. Below, in tiny letters, was an announcement for a rape awareness meeting. The wife of an acquaintance of mine who was a graduate student complained and was ignored. Her husband then called the campus PD and complained and was blown off because he wasn’t a student. Another acquaintance of mine called several deans about the poster and was similarly blown
off because “the posters promote awareness.”
The year 2050 (give or take a decade or two)
Little girl to her mother:-
“Mom, why can’t women vote anymore, and why do people, including a lot of women themselves, look upon females with such wary scornful contempt”.
Mother to daughter:-
“Well dear, towards the end of the last century the women’s movement crossed that divide, which history has seen happen to a lot of socio-political causes, between being a just cause and fanaticism. Fanaticism is motivated solely by blind hatred, a hatred that feeds upon lies and fantasy. History has always demonstrated that when this happens, the final outcome is eventually the antithesis of, not just the hateful fantasies of the fanatics – but it also completely destroys what the early campaigners originally wanted. Remember dear, extremism always creates and realises it’s own antithesis”.
“And I say that extremism in defense of liberty is no vice”
B.G.
Nothing I said should be construed as a defence of everything that occurred or an endorsement of all of their views.
My intention was merely was to point out the chauvinism displayed by their critics.
I do think think that they went too far in much of what was said and the actions they took many of which were hypocritical, offensive and irresponsible. I’m not defending them I’m attacking the quality of the criticisms levied against them.
But the point of their style of criticism is to show contempt. These people are a bunch of sexist hate-mongers why would anyone show them anything less. It’s no different than if they were Nazis the only way to deal with these people is either to ignore them or ridicule them. The worst thing anyone can do is to take them seriously. They’re a bunch of clowns no different than the KKK or National Alliance and they must be treated as such.
“And I say that extremism in defense of liberty is no vice�
B.G.
Liberty is exactly what the Germans believed they were seeking, after the imposition of reparation payments following defeat in the first world war, when they embraced Nazism.
Liberty for the masses is what the Russians believed they were seeking when they embraced communism.
Extremism, by definition, revokes truth. Liberty can never be found by living a lie. And if it’s creed is animosity and division and the denial of natural humanity – nothing could be more alien to true human freedom.
The punishment for trying to defy that reality has always, without fail, been harsh and totally unforgiving.
I was intending to be ironic.
I thought you might have been Ron. But I was unsure. Treat my reply as a complimentary appendix, rather than a riposte.
I know many attractive women AND men who consider themselves feminist, not that that should be the issue. Radical feminism often turns people off but what most do not understand is that the radicals only represent a small portion of feminists, just like the rapists only represent a small portion of men. Rather than get angry when you read what these FAL members did, why not sit down and try to understand where they are coming from. Women do need to be scared to walk alone at night, they do get raped and assaulted by men all the time. Some women are continually raped and beaten by male relatives from the time they are children. This trauma is NOT something to be taken lightly; the pain that would result from this trauma is NOT something to be taken lightly. More needs to be done by men and women to stop rape before people can blame the FAL for speaking out against it.
Well put.
You are totally wrong and misguided BGF.
Many men (and women) now know that groups such as the FAL do not just represent a tainted tip of an otherwise pure iceberg.
They fully realise that that iceberg has become rotten throughout. Feminism has, from the mainstream that influences the media, education, and politics – to groups such as the FAL, become something that will eventually be seen to have one of history’s most horrific crimes against humanity.
The parrot like references you make to issues such as rape and domestic violence are subjects about which an enormous, and growing number of people, now realise that the women’s movement have long since abandoned objective truth and reality, and with lies and malice have fashioned it into yet another ideological and psychological tool of hatred. You, like many many other people,have been brainwashed BGF.
As Professor Howard S. Schwartz of Oakland university, Michigan wrote:-
“I have no doubt that, someday, the distortion of the truth by the radical feminists of our day will be seen to have been the greatest intellectual crime of the second half of the twentieth century. At the present time, however, we still live under the aegis of that crime, and to call attention to it is an act of great moral courage”.
Do you have the wisdom, strength of mind and character, moral will and the necessary courage to free your mind from the prison that it is clearly in BGF.
I know, without any doubt at all, that one day our society will emerge from the ideological ghetto in which it is presently trapped. And, just as has happened before in history, people will be asking themselves in disbelief, how did we allow ourself to belief such blatant insane nonsense.
“one of history’s most horrific crimes against humanity.”
Those are strong words, and that’s an understatement.
Could you please provide some examples to demonstrate what you think warrants accusing feminists of committing crimes against humanity. A phrase which brings to mind cases like Rwanda, Nanking and the Holocaust.
I read your first response to the comments of others, and I put it into context with what they are speaking about, and it is blatantly obvious that you are an individual whose mind is utterly beguiled by quasi-religious dogma – totally shut off from reality ( “If these women are angry about being afraid who can blame them?” you say. And you even suggest that discrimination against women is still a problem.) Your world consists of surreal, imaginary stick figures, akin to a cartoon strip, that have absolutely nothing to do with reality.
When I come across men like yourself I initially give them the benefit of the doubt and, as outlined above, assume that their mind is simply a brainwashed void into which others have been able to put in, or take out at will. There are many like you – and it applies to the vast majority of pro-feminist men.
But, as others have suggested, there are some who know damn well that the women’s movement has long since become nothing but insane destructive claptrap. And they love it. Either they are mentally disturbed or they simply derive some sort of sado-masochistic sexual thrill out of it.
You ask me to cite examples demonstrating why feminism is a crime against humanity. To answer that question to someone like yourself and in the space that is available here would be akin to demonstrating that the world is round to a small child standing in the middle of a desert.
I could spout forth a multitiude of statistics relating to such issues as demographic population imbalance, the collapse of marital and family relationships, the paranoid fear that grips politics, academia and the media, the cancerous decline of our education standards and even the multitude of seemingly innocuous little incidents such as the drugging of male children or the charge of ‘sexual assault’ levied against a five year old boy for kissing a five year old girl on the cheek in an infant school.
No Mikey. For people like yourself only the passage and distance of time, and the reality that always accompanies it, has any hope of penetrating the dungeon in which your mind is imprisoned.
Or is it imprisoned Mikey? That is a question you must ask yourself. Are you capable of being honest – even with yourself.
You’re quite eloquent I’ll give you that.
But, unless you’re willing to offer some sort of proof that feminism constitutes a “crime aagainst humanity” I can only dismiss rantings as being those of a raving lunatic.
I am asking you to cite every single example of how feminism has corrupted our society? No. Just give me a few, something to work with so that my free myself from the dungeon in which my mind is imprisoned.
Well, you could start with the skyrocketing divorce rates for one.
The dramatic climb in suicide rates among men since the 60s. Men now make up 72% of all suicides.
The fact that statistics show women are as liekly to instigate spousal abuse as men.
The 30 million abortions that have taken place sin Roe v. Wade
The myth that women are somehow disadvantaged compared to men in the workforce. There are reasons why women make less than men. Check out Warren Farrell’s new book on the topic.
That’s a very small of thr types of the lies that feminism is perpetuating. The problem is these lies are dominating the discourse as they they were abject truth. Anyone who has the guts to challenge these lies for what they are is branded as a “sexist woman hating white male” and quickly dismissed. Or in some cases forced to make a public apology. Thus we’re seeing the slow and gradual destruction of the family and in many ways of women’s rights. That’s the crime against humanity. Thousands upon thousands of fatherless children children being raised to blame men for everything and being taught that women are oppressed.
Peter, I hope I properly expressed what you had in mind. Feel free to add or correct anyhting I’ve said.
Why is it that al issues are either…
a) oversimplified: “all feminists are ugly”
or over-demonized…
b) “the greatest crime against humanity” ?
Rational debate is dead. All that matters is beating people over the head with your opinion.
BTW: women have ALL the power. Anyone who thinks different is a…. (wait for it)…. Satanic Poo-Poo Head!
There, I feel better.
Very well said Ron. It is clear that many people, via the media, within education, the feminist innuendo of more or less all TV and movie fiction, and practically every avenue of official public discource imaginable (except, perhaps, the internet), only ever hear the totally false, and now broken record theme tune of the ‘madonna like female/toxic male’ fake and tainted horror story. Mike’s attitudes and remarks are sadly symptomatic of the vulnerability of vast numbers of people who allow their very being to absorb it all with unquestioning acceptance. With different themes, different causes, different targets, other extremists throughout history – Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein etc. etc.- once they have gained control of the key mediums of public information, have, with suprising ease, dragged a curtain across their various cultures and the minds of the people who live within them – and have completely deceived those people (even some very intelligent people) into accepting a new politically defined truth about human beings, that has absolutley nothing to do with reality and with real people.
It has always ended in disaster, widespread misery, terrible regret and eventually a dramatic, often overly dramatic retreat in exactly the opposite direction (hence the theme of my first response to this discussion).
It is a certainty that feminism will one day be deemed to have been yet another example of ‘man’s inhumanity to man’ (though in this case ‘man’ is certainly a generic term for the perpetrator of this crime of history is largely, though not totally, female).
This era of feminism will come to an end – probably in a very dramatic way. But it probably won’t be the last time human beings, en masse, will go off the rails and be side tracked into the fantasy world of an individual despot or a group of insane ideologues.
Albert Einstein once said,
“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I’m not sure about the first”.
I came across this forum by chance. I agree with most peoples views on here. Everyone has their own ideas and beliefs.
I agree with Mike on a great number of things. Women are afraid and with good reason. They shouldn’t have to be but sadly that’s the way it is. Men do use physical power against women every day. Often by actual bodily harm and sometimes just by the knowledge that by verbally attacking them they will back down through fear. At the end of the day though I do not agree with this whole radical feminist thing. I’m proud to be a woman and yes I get angry at how we are often portrayed or perceived. I do however have a wonderful and loving husband, as well as many fantastic male friends. They don’t beat their spouses and rape women. They would walk across the street on a dark night to avoid a woman incase she felt uncomfortable. There are some evil men out there who live to hate women and some who think women are beneath them. If someone can find a way to combat this then great! I don’t think singing about hating men and castration is really the way to go. It’s just wrong and these women are not feminists, they’re wanna be vigilantes. These people need to grow up and get help. It’s great to recognise something needs to be done but one form of violence and hatred doesn’t make another right.
One more thing. I can understand and cope with the kind of comments Ron and Peter came up with. What I really can’t understand is women who say that only unfortunate looking women are radical feminists. As if the only reason they decide to “hate men” is because they can’t get one of their own! Ladies, maybe if we weren’t so hard on one another we wouldn’t have so much of a problem. I know after saying that someones going to post that I’m a fat lesbian with a shaved head but that’s ok! I just had to say it! If we can’t show one another respect then how can we expect men to respect us?
We stereotype radicals fems as lesbians because their vast obsession with having a vagina can only indicate so. As for appearance, they’re so obviously ugly on the outside that it doesn’t matter how they look on the outside. They are hideous, vile, disgusting marginal excuses for human beings who give a bad name to all who believe in equality and/or have been victimized.
Oh dear Tammy.
Do you not see the paradox between the non existent world that the utter nonsense of your opening comments in your first posting relates to – and the people that you (and the vast majority of the human race)know in reality.
Your mixed up reasoning and exploited mind remind me of something C.S.Lewis once said:
“Every age has it’s own characteristic illusions. They are likliest to lurk in those widespread assumptions which are so ingrained in the age that no one dares to attack, or feels it necessary to defend them” – ‘Suprised by Joy’ 1955.
1) there are many types of radical feminists, the example in the article is simply a more extreme group. I know several groups of radical feminists. There is even a radical cheerleading squad at my school and they admit men and women.
2) The basis of radical feminism is the understanding that “the personal is the political” oppression is not simply rooted in politics or policies, it is rooted in language and culture, which affect the way we think and perceive reality. Radical feminism is simply tries to empower women and show others how where this oppression comes from.
Mike – the second part of your last posting, and the destructive and divisive clap trap that is so disturbingly evident within in, clearly endorse the words of Professor Howard S. Schwartz.
“I have no doubt that, someday, the distortion of the truth by the radical feminists of our day will be seen to have been the greatest intellectual crime of the second half of the twentieth century. At the present time, however, we still live under the aegis of that crime, and to call attention to it is an act of great moral courageâ€?. ‘Revolt of the Primitive’ – 2001.
Think about Professor Schwartz’s words (and also think about what you actually said) and put them into context with the reality of the human world that you actually live in Mike. You, along with many others, have been brainwashed. One day you will realise that.
Peter,You’re an eloquent writer I’ll give you that, butfor all your words you never really say much. You pretty much just keep saying “You’ve all been brainwashed!” over and over again and you consistantly hide behind the words of others. Try expanding your thoughts, maybe elaborate a bit more. Say something useful, because right now you’re nothing more than a broken record.
Mike we are all living in a world that is the false broken record theme tune which is feminism. You are symptomatic of that. In posting No:27 I cited several examples such as:-
“demographic population imbalance, the collapse of marital and family relationships, the paranoid fear that grips politics, academia and the media, the cancerous decline of our education standards and even the multitude of seemingly innocuous little incidents such as the drugging of male children or the charge of ’sexual assault’ levied against a five year old boy for kissing a five year old girl on the cheek in an infant school”.
You, like the feminists whose coat tails you cling to just seem to ignore any evidence that is presented to you. That is the classic ruse of feminism. You also adopt the woeful feminist symptom of absolute narcissism – self classification. You unwittingly provided an example of this when you declared, to quote you “there are many types of radical feminists”. This is sometimes referred to as the ‘chameleon of hate’. When women change their spots depending upon their audience, the situation and what they believe they can get away with.
Re-read the original article that this debate gave rise to Mike. Many of the women at that revolting venue will be singing from a much milder hymn sheet elsewhere. But the entire women’s movement has become a hideous crime whose proponents effortlessly change their disguise to maximise the effect of their hateful selfishness. Whether it be at a FAL rally, a family court of law or simply writing the script for a soap or commercial with a feminist theme. At one it will be “I hate men because they are men”, at another it will be the ridiculous claim that “we need to deal with inequality and the oppression of women”.
You have the hypocritical audacity to suggest that, quote “Say something useful, because right now you’re nothing more than a broken record”.
It is not me that is broken record Mike. I have presented my case. The entire contemporary world testifies to what I say.
The burden of proof is upon you. The claims that you make about oppression of women are blatantly not true. Point to one concrete example that such reality exists – you cannot because it is a moronic fantasy.
Aside from that all you have yourself have done here is negate what others have said without counter evidence.
You said in response to the author of the original article:-
“I’m not defending them I’m attacking the quality of the criticisms levied against them”.
Why Mike? Explain with coherent argument.
All you say to me is that I am not actually saying anything – when the reverse is true.
It is you who is the user of empty repetitive rhetoric Mike.
“1) there are many types of radical feminists, the example in the article is simply a more extreme group. I know several groups of radical feminists.”
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There is only ONE type of radical feminist, namely the man-hating type. The supposed variety of “types” represents a trivial and distractionary spectrum of difference; to even waste time analyzing them is to be duped by a smokescreen. If they aren’t man-hating, they aren’t “radical”. There is no more or less “extreme”, they are ALL extreme. Period.
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“2) The basis of radical feminism is the understanding that “the personal is the politicalâ€? oppression is not simply rooted in politics or policies, it is rooted in language and culture, which affect the way we think and perceive reality. Radical feminism is simply tries to empower women and show others how where this oppression comes from.”
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You have said some astounding things here. I would call your attention to the following in particular:
“..oppression is not simply rooted in politics or policies, it is rooted in language and culture, which affect the way we think and perceive reality. Radical feminism is simply tries to empower women and show others how where this oppression comes from.”
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This huge statement is nothing better than FAST TALK; too fast to follow, too fast to permit objection, and altogether unsupported. You SAY that feminism “tries to show others how where this oppression comes from”…but purely on the face of it, I have NO compelling reason to swallow such a statement — it is merely a rhetorical claim with zero content. And I guarantee that if some feminist tried to expound to me EXACTLY what this statement means, and EXACTLY what knowledge claim it asserts, and EXACTLY what I as an individual ought to do about it, then she would find herself in a bottomless philosophical quicksand that she couldn’t hope to crawl out of! (Trust me, I’m good..!)
What I am trying to say is that you have offered nothing better (at the starting gate) than a few unsupported premises, and you should understand that not everybody (at the starting gate) would agree with them.
You need to justify your core belief system; you cannot rely on mere triumphalism to stay afloat any more..
..which is exactly what feminism is trying to do, and why it is foundering.
I was tempted to lock the comments on this post the moment traffic started pouring in from Fox and Ifeminists (and I mean “pouring”, eating up half my bandwidth in a few days at the peak).
Despite that I let the debate run, and I think it’s run far enough.
Thank you all for your interesting contributions.
B’bye.